In a conversation, one devotee said Krsna is benevolent and material nature is not. Srila Prabhupada replied by saying, "No, material nature... Just like you don't care for government. Then you be controlled by the jail superintendent. That's all. You'll be controlled. You cannot be free. But if you deny directly the control of the government then you must be controlled by the criminal department, by force. This is your position." (18 January 1974, Hawaii)